What fish is this?

[kaoboi503]

This one guy I saw at the Bonneville Pool caught this fish and the four people in the immediate vicinity could not find out what fish this was. I tried google to no avail. Face partially blocked out because I did not acquire permission to post this photo.

[sandman503]

Northern pike minnow also known as squ@w fish

[kaoboi503]

Originally Posted by sandman503

Northern pike minnow also known as squ@w fish

Oh, the infamous Northern Pikeminnow, I googled it thinking Northern Pike were the same fish. Thank you for the education.

[SOBass]

As far as I'm concerned it is a squ@w fish as sandman stated. Hopefully it was killed. You can even get paid to catch them up there and judging by the size, that would be a good one.

[Angle4all]

Thats actually a sea run Northern Pikeminnow. Very few know this, but after the Pikeminnow have been in the system for approximately 7+ years, they will migrate to sea as a mechanism to obtain certain enzymes for reproduction. Most of the small Northern Pike Minnows are actually sterile until they go to the Salt where the reproductive organs develope. Like Salmonoids, the Pikeminnow almost always die right after the spawn. It has been reported through tagging that some pikeminnow will go to sea several times and have been electro-shocked in the columbia up to 30lbs.

Catching one of the size you caught isn't unheard of, but fairly rare! i've found quite a few spawned out fish dead along the banks of the snake river up to 10+lbs. Great job!

[HammerinHonkers]

An old timer told me that they did this, I thought he was full of it. I'm still not sold on the whole thing, not much research done that I could find to prove his statements. He said that they came back to the Columbia with the Springers, but thye dont eat when they get back to fresh water so they're almost impossioble to catch.

Originally Posted by Angle4all

Thats actually a sea run Northern Pikeminnow. Very few know this, but after the Pikeminnow have been in the system for approximately 7+ years, they will migrate to sea as a mechanism to obtain certain enzymes for reproduction. Most of the small Northern Pike Minnows are actually sterile until they go to the Salt where the reproductive organs develope. Like Salmonoids, the Pikeminnow almost always die right after the spawn. It has been reported through tagging that some pikeminnow will go to sea several times and have been electro-shocked in the columbia up to 30lbs.

Catching one of the size you caught isn't unheard of, but fairly rare! i've found quite a few spawned out fish dead along the banks of the snake river up to 10+lbs. Great job!

[warmwater]

Originally Posted by Angle4all

Thats actually a sea run Northern Pikeminnow. Very few know this, but after the Pikeminnow have been in the system for approximately 7+ years, they will migrate to sea as a mechanism to obtain certain enzymes for reproduction. Most of the small Northern Pike Minnows are actually sterile until they go to the Salt where the reproductive organs develope. Like Salmonoids, the Pikeminnow almost always die right after the spawn. It has been reported through tagging that some pikeminnow will go to sea several times and have been electro-shocked in the columbia up to 30lbs.

Catching one of the size you caught isn't unheard of, but fairly rare! i've found quite a few spawned out fish dead along the banks of the snake river up to 10+lbs. Great job!

Can you post any links or info to verify this? That's the first time I've heard of such a thing. I'm not doubting you, I'm just very interested in learning more about this, new info! Thanks!

[Ifisherkid]

....That looks like cyclops from X-men.

[pirk fan]

Originally Posted by Angle4all

Thats actually a sea run Northern Pikeminnow. Very few know this, but after the Pikeminnow have been in the system for approximately 7+ years, they will migrate to sea as a mechanism to obtain certain enzymes for reproduction. Most of the small Northern Pike Minnows are actually sterile until they go to the Salt where the reproductive organs develope. Like Salmonoids, the Pikeminnow almost always die right after the spawn. It has been reported through tagging that some pikeminnow will go to sea several times and have been electro-shocked in the columbia up to 30lbs.

Catching one of the size you caught isn't unheard of, but fairly rare! i've found quite a few spawned out fish dead along the banks of the snake river up to 10+lbs. Great job!

I'm not buying it either....pikeminnows are members of the cyprinidae family of fishes (carps and minnows) which are strictly freshwater fishes.

[kaoboi503]

I am not the person that caught this fish. This gentleman asked if I had any water he could buy off of me on my way fishing and I told him that I was sorry because the whole cooler was full of beer. When I was thirsty for water, I had to make a run to the store and he was still there, so I offered to buy him a water while I was there and then his two buddies started yelling at him about his line, which yielded this fish. He tagged it as a salmon because no one knew what kind of fish it was. I actually thought it was a striper that somehow ended up in the Bonneville Pool.

[Angle4all]

Originally Posted by pirk fan

I'm not buying it either....pikeminnows are members of the cyprinidae family of fishes (carps and minnows) which are strictly freshwater fishes.

You are correct about the cyprinidae part. I was told the issue becomes when Shad and pikeminnow cross. They maintain the head of the NPM, but the body becomes obtuse like the shad, and a very small minority gain anadramous atributes for reproduction due to an inherant lack of a certain enzyme needed for organ developement.

Pikeminnow will also cross with peamouth, of which interestingly the state pays the normal pikeminnow bounty on due to the fact that the fish keeps the peamouth body, but the mouth is just big enough to feed on smolt.

I don't have any links to this information. It was given to me by a state employee working the Pikeminnow bounty program in eastern, WA.

I can verify with my own eyes that peamouth and NPM do cross. I've caught and submitted them for payment.

[Snopro]

Originally Posted by Angle4all

You are correct about the cyprinidae part. I was told the issue becomes when Shad and pikeminnow cross. They maintain the head of the NPM, but the body becomes obtuse like the shad, and a very small minority gain anadramous atributes for reproduction due to an inherant lack of a certain enzyme needed for organ developement.

[Angle4all]

Doesn't sound like your buying my angle sno pro.

Looks like I'm going to have to market my bridge that is for sale just south of manhattan to someone else.

For the record....I just made all that stuff up. It sounded good though didnt it? I do know that Northern Pikeminnow do in fact cross breed with pea mouths, and the state does pay you for those.. That part is true.

[Salmon Mike]

Nope- They do NOT breed with pea mouths! If caught in the proper place, it would be money for me! I do love all that stuff you made up!! Thanks for keepin it fun!

[mutantcolors]

Originally Posted by Angle4all

i've found quite a few spawned out fish dead along the banks of the snake river up to 10+lbs. Great job!

That's interesting since the ID state record is 7lb something...

"Pikeminnow 7 lb. 14.24 oz. 25.25" 16" Snake River Emil Nowoj Asotin, Wa. Jig 8# 5/7/2004"

[Doug Warren]

You mean everything I read on the internet isn't true

[Ifisherkid]

Originally Posted by Doug Warren

You mean everything I read on the internet isn't true

Mind = Blown.

[HammerinHonkers]

I think that you need to re-read this thread, especially Angle4All's last post.

Originally Posted by mutantcolors

That's interesting since the ID state record is 7lb something...

"Pikeminnow 7 lb. 14.24 oz. 25.25" 16" Snake River Emil Nowoj Asotin, Wa. Jig 8# 5/7/2004"

[Angle4all]

Originally Posted by Salmon Mike

Nope- They do NOT breed with pea mouths! If caught in the proper place, it would be money for me! I do love all that stuff you made up!! Thanks for keepin it fun!

Mike.... You shouldn't believe EVERYTHING you read on the internet...

By definition you should believe SOME of what you read.....

http://www.livinglandscapes.bc.ca/cb...yprinidae.html

Peamouth chub can breed with Northern Pikeminnow, and red side shiners.

WDFW believes this as well considering I have literally been paid $4 for fish that were hybrids. They are quite common in the lower snake river area.

[Angle4all]

Originally Posted by mutantcolors

That's interesting since the ID state record is 7lb something...

"Pikeminnow 7 lb. 14.24 oz. 25.25" 16" Snake River Emil Nowoj Asotin, Wa. Jig 8# 5/7/2004"

How many times do you think this record has been shattered, yet the "lucky" angler didn't have any knowledge of, or interest in going through the paperwork to register his catch. They either tossed it up on the bank, or released it.

One day while wade fishing for smallmouth about 10 miles south of Asotin, I came across what I thought was a steelhead carcass....I found it was in fact a dead Northern Pikeminnow. I wasn't about to weigh the stinky thing, but again, nor did I have a scale...I thought it was a steelhead for sure. I'm not sure how big it was, but I remember being floored with the girth and length, and I've caught some squaws up around 4-5lbs if that says anything!

[mutantcolors]

Originally Posted by HammerinHonkers

I think that you need to re-read this thread, especially Angle4All's last post.

Yeah I get it. I stopped and called BS as soon as I read 30lb...

It's not really a shocker to haul in a 5lb pikeminnow. I suspect many of us have done it.

...anyway, good luck with getting us to believe anything you ever type again.

[Angle4all]

Originally Posted by mutantcolors

...anyway, good luck with getting us to believe anything you ever type again.

Its clear that you don't have any appreciation for a good fish story. I think Ifish is a fine place, but I'm not exactly going to lose sleep if I feel people may or may not believe what I have to say moving forward. This is the interent, and the reality is that there are hundreds of lurkers that use good tips to catch and beach bass. I'm not going to be torn if they ignore any of the litany of advice I may or may not offer up.

I hope theres a place on ifish for reports, pictures, stories, as well as a few tall tales.

Its all in good fun. And for the record...I doubt too many people have caught 5+lb Pikeminnow. People regularly "think" they have caught 5+ smallmouth and more often than not...they are really about 3lbs 9oz.

Just sayin.

[Salmon Mike]

Originally Posted by Angle4all

Mike.... You shouldn't believe EVERYTHING you read on the internet...

By definition you should believe SOME of what you read.....

http://www.livinglandscapes.bc.ca/cb...yprinidae.html

Peamouth chub can breed with Northern Pikeminnow, and red side shiners.

WDFW believes this as well considering I have literally been paid $4 for fish that were hybrids. They are quite common in the lower snake river area.

Thanks! i guessed on that one!

[HammerinHonkers]

I think its fun when someone makes up some junk that just can't be true. Everyone gets fired up and has an opinion, and it makes it better when the original poster comes on a few days later and verifies his joke. Great topics are usually brought up do to someone telling tall tales, I would've never known pea mouths and Squ@wfish can hybridize, but I do now. I never believed Angle4alls statements but they made me laugh and got some interesting information out.

[Angle4all]

Just to save some folks the time spent on clicking the link and having to search for the quote....

I have clearly defined a path in which nobody on this forum will ever know if I'm completely full of it, or if I am telling 100% truth. I think this is an important reminder that nothing can be taken for granted on the internet. Too often we believe everything we are told, or write off any story that sounds too good to be true.

I look forward to future interactions. As for this weekend....I'll be fishing for state record Northern Pikeminnow in Eastern Washington State taking my parents, my fiance and her 2 daughters. i will be back with the results Monday.

"Like many cyprinids, Peamouth Chub hybridize easily with other family members, and in 1856 a specimen was described from the lower Columbia as a new species, Cheonda cooperi (Carl et al. 1967). Nearly a hundred years later a similar specimen was found in Flathead Lake, Montana that was correctly identified as a hybrid between the Redside Shiner and Peamouth Chub (Weisel 1954). A similar case of hybridization has been noted for Northern pikeminnow (Ptychocheilus oregonesis) and Peamouth Chub (Scott and Crossman 1973)."

[HammerinHonkers]

Starting to push it a little with the bravado, but whatever. Hope you catch a good pikeminnow, I'd fish for bass but I'm not you. Post your results, I'm always up for a new state record

Originally Posted by Angle4all

Just to save some folks the time spent on clicking the link and having to search for the quote....

I have clearly defined a path in which nobody on this forum will ever know if I'm completely full of it, or if I am telling 100% truth. I think this is an important reminder that nothing can be taken for granted on the internet. Too often we believe everything we are told, or write off any story that sounds too good to be true.

I look forward to future interactions. As for this weekend....I'll be fishing for state record Northern Pikeminnow in Eastern Washington State taking my parents, my fiance and her 2 daughters. i will be back with the results Monday.

"Like many cyprinids, Peamouth Chub hybridize easily with other family members, and in 1856 a specimen was described from the lower Columbia as a new species, Cheonda cooperi (Carl et al. 1967). Nearly a hundred years later a similar specimen was found in Flathead Lake, Montana that was correctly identified as a hybrid between the Redside Shiner and Peamouth Chub (Weisel 1954). A similar case of hybridization has been noted for Northern pikeminnow (Ptychocheilus oregonesis) and Peamouth Chub (Scott and Crossman 1973)."

[RandallPinkFloyd]

Biggest pikeminnow I've personally measured this year was a 25" specimen. One was taken off John Day Dam with a 25" fork length.....which put it around 28" total length. I see 20-22" fish on a regular basis. Catch at 28" plus fish and I think you have something.

[patman_81]

I caugth one this year bass fishing on the willamettee that weighed in at 4.02 lbs. biggest on that i have caught. I will post pics as soon as i figure out how to do it.

[Filthyfisher]

I also caught one this last weekend on a chartruese and silver K-14 kwik. He was probably right around the 20" range. I was hoping it was anything but a Northern Pikeminnow when it hit, but after a couple google searched I determined that it was. Either way I killed it and saved a few baby salmon.

[Salmon Mike]

Originally Posted by Angle4all

Just to save some folks the time spent on clicking the link and having to search for the quote....

I have clearly defined a path in which nobody on this forum will ever know if I'm completely full of it, or if I am telling 100% truth. I think this is an important reminder that nothing can be taken for granted on the internet. Too often we believe everything we are told, or write off any story that sounds too good to be true.

I look forward to future interactions. As for this weekend....I'll be fishing for state record Northern Pikeminnow in Eastern Washington State taking my parents, my fiance and her 2 daughters. i will be back with the results Monday.

"Like many cyprinids, Peamouth Chub hybridize easily with other family members, and in 1856 a specimen was described from the lower Columbia as a new species, Cheonda cooperi (Carl et al. 1967). Nearly a hundred years later a similar specimen was found in Flathead Lake, Montana that was correctly identified as a hybrid between the Redside Shiner and Peamouth Chub (Weisel 1954). A similar case of hybridization has been noted for Northern pikeminnow (Ptychocheilus oregonesis) and Peamouth Chub (Scott and Crossman 1973)."

Angle4All-
That was a great post,(the original post) and i am looking forward to more!! Thanx!!!

[portlandJ25]

Just out of curiousity where were you when you came across this Gentleman? I know you said Bonneville pool but can be be more specific? Thats a big stretch of water.

[kaoboi503]

Originally Posted by portlandJ25

Just out of curiousity where were you when you came across this Gentleman? I know you said Bonneville pool but can be be more specific? Thats a big stretch of water.

We were at the midpoint of the trail leading to the point of government cove, cascade locks, Oregon.